Strength against weakness: Raiders vs Chiefs

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June 16, 2008

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This is part one of a three part series where we analyze how the Oakland Raiders stack up with the other teams in their division. We'll start at the bottom and work our way up going by 2007 standings. This edition will have the Raiders going against the Chiefs.

Do the Chiefs have a chance of beating the Raiders in 2008?

In 2007, these two teams tied for the worst in the AFC West division, but looked to be going different directions by season's end. The Kansas City Chiefs started out strong and got progressively worse as the season wore on, while the Oakland Raiders came into the season as the laughingstock of the league only to finish up gaining a modicum of respect. The teams will face off, as they always do, twice this season. For the first time in years, the Raiders will enter the first contest on a winning streak over the Chiefs at one game. Will they make it two?

If you're a regular visitor to TFDS, then you should be well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the Raiders, but as we all know, even a teams' greatest strength can become a weakness with the wrong matchup. These are the rules to this analysis:

Only the draft picks from the first three rounds of the 2008 draft will be considered for starting positions for either team.

Big ticket free agents will be automatic starters.

Players who started at the end of last season due to ability (not injury), who are not displaced by the first two rules will be considered starters for this analysis. Therefore injured starters will once again be considered starters.

Points will be alloted by the level of dominance between 1-3 points, 3 being the most dominant rating.

The following matchups are up for consideration:
- WR's vs CB's with line matchups taken into consideration.
- DT's vs OG's and OC
- DE's vs OT's
- RB vs LB's with blocking matchups taken into consideration.
- FB and TE vs LB's and Safeties with line matchups taken into consideration.
- QB vs QB with all other matchups into consideration. For this analysis, if all matchups are equal, it becomes a contest of which QB can NOT lose the game for their team.

So we'll start off with the line matchups and work our way out to the skill position players.

Raiders Interior OL vs Chiefs DT's

The Raiders will start LG Robert Gallery, OC John Wade, and RG Cooper Carlisle. The Chiefs will be starting Glenn Dorsey and Alfonso Boone at the DT positions. Robert Gallery may be considered a bust at left tackle, but at left guard he's becoming a monster. He's tasked with stopping super rookie Glenn Dorsey from getting to the quarterback. Since Alphonso Boone will probably require both Carlisle and Wade's attention, it is basically a one on one matchup between Gallery and Dorsey. If Boone can be handled by Carlisle, then this matchup gets exploited.

Boone is able to stop a couple of run plays, but for the most part the double team is too much for him to make a difference. Dorsey is the key in this matchup and with his athleticism and speed, he gets to Russell once, but is a non-factor in the running game. Advantage: Raiders +1

Chiefs Interior OL vs Raiders DT's

The Chiefs will start LG Brian Waters, OC Rudy Niswanger, and RG Adrian Jones. The Raiders are coming at them with Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands at DT. This may be one of the biggest questionmarks of this battle. Brian Waters is arguably the best LG in the AFC West and he'll be facing Tommy Kelly one on one. I'm not completely convinced that Terdell Sands is going to be as dominant as he's flashed in the past, but a man of that size will have both Jones and Niswanger taking him on.

With Tommy Kelly's knee injury a concern, he doesn't match up well with Waters and becomes nearly non-existent. Due to the ineffectiveness of KC's center and right guard, Sands looks really good stuffing the run all day. Tommy Kelly will put pressure on the quarterback, but not enough to merit consideration. Advantage: Chiefs +1

Raiders OT's and TE vs Chiefs DE's

The Raiders are starting TE Zach Miller, LT Kwame Harris and RT Cornell Green. The Chiefs are starting Turk McBride and Tamba Hali at the DE spots. Kwame Harris is a turnstile. Until he proves otherwise, he remains that for analysis. Cornell Green is serviceable and I'm still unsure that he'll be the starter come the start of the 2008 season (my money is on McQuistan). Lucky for Harris, he gets to face McBride who hasn't done anything in the NFL to date. This lack of experience will hurt McBride. Green is not the best RT in the game, but if he can keep himself from false start penalties, he can be adequate and Hali is not a premier pass rusher.

Zach Miller proved to be a good blocker and will again be helping Green against Hali or Harris against McBride. Some plays Carlisle will help Green to prevent Hali from making a difference. McBride may get to the quarterback, but for the most part he'll be a nonfactor. It surprises me that I'm judging no sacks and little in the way of run stuffing from either of these defensive ends. Advantage: Raiders +1

Chiefs OT's and TE vs Raiders DE's

The Chiefs will be starting rookie LT Branden Albert, RT Damion McIntosh, and TE Tony Gonzalez. The Raiders will be starting Jay Richardson and Derrick Burgess at DE. For the sake of argument, we'll say that it's possible Greg Spires overtakes Richardson, but we'll leave Richardson where he is until he's actually beaten out of the position. Burgess is only 4.5 sacks away from being the fifth all-time sacker for the Raiders and he's healthy this season. He'll be going up against Damion McIntosh, a converted guard who is a solid enough RT, but not a Pro Bowler. Gonzalez has never been known for his blocking and Albert is moving over from guard as a rookie.

You can't stop Derrick Burgess and Jay Richardson has proven to be able to stop the run, but needs to show he can rush the QB. With the rookie covering Croyle's backside, Richardson records a sack. Burgess is in the backfield all day and gets at least one himself. These guys make it a long day for the QB. Advantage: Raiders +2

Raiders OL vs Chiefs DL - Raiders +2

Chiefs OL vs Raiders DL - Raiders +1

These scores will attribute to future scores so they are important. The theory that the game is won or lost in the trenches is definitely a factor in this analysis.

Raiders FB and TE vs Chiefs LB's and Safeties

The Raiders are starting FB Justin Griffith and TE Zach Miller. The Chiefs will be starting SLB Donnie Edwards, MLB Napoleon Harris, WLB Derrick Johnson, FS Jarrad Page, and SS Bernard Pollard. I know that I said that draft picks from the third round up would be considered for starting (Dajuan Morgan), but both Page and Pollard are still young and I couldn't justify starting Morgan over either one.

In the running game, with the Raiders' advantage on the line, Griffith is free to lead block for any of the Raiders backs. While Derrick Johnson is good on the weakside, he's not the strongest run stopper. Donnie Edwards, is still good against the run, but he's far from being a dominant linebacker anymore. Napoleon Harris is decent against the run, but he often gets lost when the defensive line doesn't win the battle. They don't win the battle here. Page is an average safety at best and Pollard is a big hitter. Plan to see Pollard making plenty of tackles against the run, and that's not good for the Chiefs. You never want to see your safety making a bunch of tackles.

In the passing game, Miller will have difficulties getting open when Johnson is covering him. The Chiefs have an adequate defense against Miller if he lines up on the right side. The problem lies with the safeties and/if Miller lines up on the other side against Edwards. Pollard has good straight line speed, but he struggles in coverage. Page is only average in coverage and likely can't cover Miller. With the focus on Miller, Griffith is able to find his way out of the backfield for drop-off passes. Advantage: Raiders +1

Chiefs FB and TE vs Raiders LB's and Safeties

The Chiefs will be starting FB Oliver Hoyte and TE Tony Gonzalez. The Raiders will be starting SLB Robert Thomas, MLB Kirk Morrison, WLB Thomas Howard, FS Michael Huff, and SS Gibril Wilson. I must confess that I know very little about Hoyte, but I bet most Chiefs fans are in the same boat.

The Raiders have a slight advantage on the defensive front and this will limit the Chiefs running game. If the Raiders advantage pans out, Hoyte will have to block linemen some of the time which leaves the linebackers free to get to the runningback. The key for the Raiders will be their tackling, which has been pretty bad over the past few years. Kirk Morrison is a premier linebacker and he teams up with another star in the making of Thomas Howard. Both have significant range, but they need to make sure they don't overrun plays. Robert Thomas is only average on the strong side. Luckily for the Raiders, their advantage on the line and the lack of blocking from Gonzalez gives the advantage to the Raiders. If all else fails, Wilson can lay a player out and will help the Raiders get better against the run.

In the passing game, you'd have to look far and wide to find a better group to cover the tight end and fullback. Howard is one of the fastest linebackers in the league and is coming off of a six interception season. Morrison is one of the best coverage middle linebackers in the game. Huff has kept Gonzalez from hurting the Raiders the past two years and now with Wilson, the Chiefs TE is going to find the going tough in the passing game. Again, I know very little about Hoyte and that's probably a good thing for the Raiders. Advantage: Raiders +2

Raiders RB vs Chiefs LB's

We've already gone through the Chiefs linebackers, and for the sake of argument we'll put Justin Fargas in at runningback. Again, until the rookie can beat out the veteran he stays on the bench in this analysis. With the Raiders line taking an advantage(+2) and the Raiders TE and FB taking the advantage over the LB's and Safeties(+2), the Chiefs are probably lucky that I put Run DMC on the bench.

Fargas runs to daylight all day long with a 150+ yard day. Advantage: Raiders +2

Chiefs RB vs Raiders LB's

Larry Johnson is the Chiefs starting RB, and he's going to be difficult to stop. With the Raiders advantage in the trenches, Johnson will have his struggles. Johnson is still good enough to make his yards and he takes advantage of lapses in the Raiders run defense for a little over 100 yards. He's just that good. Advantage: Chiefs +1

Raiders WR's vs Chiefs CB's

The Raiders come in starting Ronald Curry and Javon Walker, while the Chiefs will be starting rookie Brandon Flowers and veteran Patrick Surtain. My guess is that the matchups will be Walker vs Surtain and Curry vs Flowers. This favors the Raiders.

Surtain isn't the CB he used to be and can be beat. If Walker is healthy, he can't be stopped. Curry is crafty and knows how to get open. With Flowers being a rookie, he's bound to get picked on for the short to intermediate passes. This one is a no-brainer. Advantage: Raiders +2

Chiefs WR's vs Raiders CB's

The Chiefs will be starting Dwayne Bowe and Devard Darling at WR, while the Raiders boast the best cornerback tandem in the league (that's right, I said it) in DeAngelo Hall and Nnamdi Asomugha. I simply love Dwayne Bowe, and I'm not afraid to say it. This kid is the real deal and he's going to get his catches. Darling is a huge question mark for the Chiefs. The matchups will be Asomugha on Bowe and Hall on Darling with some switching throughout the game.

Bowe will make some nice catches, but nothing that hurts the Raiders. Darling will struggle to make any noise at all. Advantage: Raiders +2

QB vs QB

JaMarcus Russell verses Brody Croyle is probably the most even matchup between these two teams. Since Russell is still virtually a rookie, he puts the Raiders at a slight disadvantage. I keep hearing that Croyle doesn't have a good arm, but when I watched him play last year, it looked plenty strong to me. Since Croyle has more experience, he'll probably make fewer mistakes. So while Russell has more upside, in the short term Croyle is the guy. Advantage: Chiefs +1

OVERALL

So after it is all said and done, the Raiders look to be on their way up in the division. In the NFL, games are usually much closer than they should be. I'm confident in saying that the Raiders will be better than the Chiefs this season by leaps and bounds. Hopefully for Chiefs fans, the draft they had this year makes them a team to be reckoned with in the future, but with Herm Edwards as the coach I wouldn't count on it. Advantage: Raiders +10

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Discussion

71 Comments on "Strength against weakness: Raiders vs Chiefs"

Posted by Patrick Patterson, June 16, 2008 3:22 AM

Really good in depth analysis. I look forward to reading the rest of this series.

Posted by Sam Snead, June 16, 2008 5:31 AM

As a Chiefs fan, I can honestly say that this is a pretty accurate analysis of the team. That being said, your analysis of your very own Raider team is laughable at best. The two teams are equally inept, and as horrible a coach as Herm is, Lane is equally as bad, if not worse. In closing, I'd like to offer that your franchise will regret the day you passed on Glen Dorsey for the next decade+.

Posted by luke, June 16, 2008 7:02 AM

Glenn Dorsey will play hurt most of his career. He is an injury looking to happen. He still hasn't recovered from his last injury, so don't get to excited, just yet. Read his injury history.

Posted by WestSacRaider, June 16, 2008 7:10 AM

Sam,

Since DMAC had no problem eluding Dorsey twice in college, I dont think there is too much to be concerned about here....especially when Dorsey will not be able to stay healthy while all Chief fans are dreamin, "Man he would be so good if..."

Equally inept? That's funny. Good to know that you have already accepted the Chiefs fate for this next season and its only June. Based on the Chiefs offseason and YOUR coach, I can see why...

Only the Chargers stand in the Raiders way from taking the AFC West title back home where is belongs. It will be fun to play the Chiefs this year...

Later-

Posted by Raider Blues, June 16, 2008 7:26 AM

Like 400 yds in the two games this last year tells me DMac will do it again vs the Chefs with Dorsey.

Inept? I'd like to quote that about midseason!

I actually think Croyle is a decent QB but he'll get run like some others around the league receiving too much blame for their inept team.

Posted by Marty, June 16, 2008 8:08 AM

get real!!

check this out

The Chiefs hold a seven game lead in the all-time regular season series, 50-43-2. The Chiefs are also ahead in Playoff match-ups with a record of 2-1. The Chiefs have won nine of the last ten games against their rival.

2003 CHIEFS

CHIEFS 17-10

27-24

2004 CHIEFS

CHIEFS 34-27

31-30

2005 CHIEFS

CHIEFS 23-17

27-23

2006 CHIEFS

CHIEFS 17-13

20-9

2007 CHIEFS

RAIDERS 12-10

20-17

The Raiders have nothing Their OL is worse than the Chiefs, Russell will be out of the league in 5 years.

People say he can throw it 70 yards from his knees, well we shall se how far he can wing it from his back.

DMAC,lol come on be serious he's no better than the RB's of years past in Oakland.

Even Al Davis is Ashamed to call them his team.

they are trying to move again, they move all the time to try to pickup some fans and create a stir of a new team they lose they move and do it all over again.

Posted by inonewordraider, June 16, 2008 8:27 AM

Jared Allen singlehandedly kept the games close last year. He's gone and we've vastly improved this offseason. Start scouting college quarterbacks for next years top draft pick, Tim Tebow's pretty good

Posted by footballfan, June 16, 2008 8:31 AM

The Chiefs are building through the draft for the future and will be the youngest team in the NFL on opening day. I think everyone knows there will be more growing pains and this year could be just as ugly as the last. That being said, they will split the two games with Oakland and both teams will miss the playoffs again. Chiefs 5-11

Once again the Raiders overpay malcontent aging free agents in an effort to band aid the holes left from suspect drafting. The Raiders may be slightly better in the short term, but not even close to playoff contender. Raiders 6-10

The Chargers are the class of the AFC West. Holes in the secondary and the loss of Michael Turner will be big enough to keep them out of the Super Bowl again. Chargers 12-4

The Broncos? Shanny always fields competive teams, but sooner or later the questionable drafting, free agent manuvers and trades will catch up with them. 8-8 at best.

Posted by Coris Davis, June 16, 2008 8:36 AM

Wrong the Chiefs are starting Boone at DE.

#10

Posted by Mad Road Dog, June 16, 2008 8:36 AM

Rob...I hope you are right but I have watched the Raiders struggle the last five years, to the point of embarrassment in 2006 because of the terrible "O" line. AD has done nothing to improve the "O" line in terms of adding talent and possibly made it worse with "Turnstile Harris" at LT. Sands is no help still in the middle of the "D" line if he cannot learn to get down low and come out of his stance each and every time with leverage. Yes, the Raiders will win some battles but the WAR IS WON IN THE TRENCHES and with stability and continuity at the head coach. I see us splitting with KC as they get the edge in KC.

#11

Posted by sizzlingcell, June 16, 2008 8:58 AM

Marty says, better take my prozac, Marty says, I need thorazine as well, Marty says, I am a fricken idiot, dont know any other Chief team that sucks so well. (Sung to the tune of the old good and plenty comercial) Dude you need help, The Raiders are gonna whoop your Quiffs butt's...Count on it pal.

#12

Posted by TeamRADRZ, June 16, 2008 9:06 AM

This is to the fans of other teams who think the Raiders are still one of the worst teams in the league. That is why the Raiders will win more games everyone expects the same team as the last 5 years but like it has been said the Raiders only filled holes in the offseason, hmmm sounds like a good plan to me, even if those players are malcontents they are vastly better than what we had. Wilson (hard hitter) over Stew(I like to arm takle everyone), Walker (the guy 10 teams were trying to sign) over Porter (and his 2 catches per game) Hall (2 pro bowls and young) over Fabian (has talent just raw) I could keep going but these were the biggies. Then case in point last season we contended in all but 3 games (Jags, Green bay and SD) and in many of those games had the lead in the forth Qtr or had the ball at the end to come away with the winning score. This season no one can honestly say the offense or the deffensive secondary hasn't become vastly better. The last thing is the schedule we have a schedule that looks very favorable.

The weaknesses is the offensive line good run blocking but bad pass protection - so they have a couple RBs that can catch and a great hands TE if the team can't stop the pass rush then they get rid of the ball quickly with all the dump off outlets.

Defensive line is suppose to be weak, I'm not so sure about this but lets say it is and RBs get 100 yards against us like last season, again with the offense so improved teams won't have as many oppertunities with the ball and if the Def keys on the run sooner or later teams will have to pass against the best secondary in the NFL and that can't be good.

The Raiders look to be one of the most improved teams in the offseason and there were so many games we lost by 7 points or less last season that alone says we should win about 8 or 9 games. So stop looking at the last five years and look at last year and this offseason and you to will realize the Raisders are for real and could be knocking on the door of the play-offs.

#13

Posted by loadyz53, June 16, 2008 9:10 AM

Marty,

Your team will be one of the worst in the NFL this year, not just in the West. Enjoy the cellar and if you are a man who bets, you better watch your wallet, cause you could go poor this year putting it on the Chiefs.

#14

Posted by Jeff, June 16, 2008 9:15 AM

I think it's great that Raiders fans are taking some pride in their team, albeit completely and utterly misplaced and unfounded. Until there is some movement at the top of the organization (or should I say until Al Davis ceases to move), the Raiders are destined to futility. At least the other teams in the AFC West have something to work with.

#15

Posted by Raider Greg, June 16, 2008 9:30 AM

Hey Marty...........Nice way to make your "Condiments" aka Chiefs look good against the Raiders.....Team of the Decades! Lets see.........Last time the Chiefs were in a Superbowl??? Sooo long ago you were still in dipers....Do you think you can "stat" your team into a better record.....NOPE! We have been to the show more times, played in more playoff games, 10 times the number of HOF players in the NFL. Now go get your shine box......................Gotta love the Condiments....There a laugh a minute and not to bad on a burger!

#16

Posted by slv&blk4life, June 16, 2008 10:10 AM

the RAIDERS will whip the chiefs in both meetings and quite easily and the chiefs will have the #1 over all pick in the draft in '09

#17

Posted by The NEWS, June 16, 2008 10:30 AM

regret taking Dorsey? Ummm....not likely. The guy is injury prone and it was reported that Atlanta backed away from Dorsey at the last minute after their doctors didn't like what they saw from his knees. Now, they could have been posturing to make the Ryan pick look better but I'm betting on Dorsey having injury problems.

Oh, and as mentioned by other folks here, where was Dorsey when Run DMC lined up against him in college? No where to be found my friend. Admit it - you would have been giddy as a little school girl had DMac fallen to the Queefs.

#18

Posted by McRaider, June 16, 2008 11:27 AM

You know, it's really amazing how everyone knows for a fact that the Raiders will not win with Al Davis as the owner and GM. I also remember people saying this before the 2000 season.

Everyone was saying the Raiders won't when because of Al. Well, they did make it to the SB and were the most exciting team in the league in 2002. if Bill C. would have went with the run in that SB it would have been a different outcome. TB was number 1 against the pass, but could be ran against. That was not Al's fault that was on the field coaching.

In 2 to 3 year, this could once again be one of the most exciting team. I am not stating this as a fact but looking at the current roster, It is a big possibility.

#19

Posted by OGKUSH, June 16, 2008 11:30 AM

yes jeff kid you have no basis for your lame brain opinions. chargers are the only team with guarranteed greatness in 08 (health permiting) ... broncos are not that great of a team right now and are very beatable.. and the chiefs are at rock bottom... the raiders made good moves in the off season, and yes could have made more moves at the core of the team, but we'll still be #2 in the afc west.. so do yer research before commenting on here there jeffrey.

#20

Posted by Orpheus, June 16, 2008 11:34 AM

I would not have been happy to have gotten McFadden, and I laughed when the Raydurs picked up yet ANOTHER running back...when you had so many obvious needs elsewhere. Al Davis is insane, we've all known it for a long time. Picks up Javon "locker room cancer\beotch" Walker from the Donks to boot...your team is a joke as is your owner. Now, I know the Chiefs are going to pretty much stink it up this year, but we've got upside. As long as the Raydurs have Al Davis at the helm, I'm not going to worry too much about them actually returning to greatness...

...long live Al Davis!!

#21

Posted by Diamond Jim, June 16, 2008 11:40 AM

At least Harris doesn't have to face Allen. That would be a Chiefs +10. Good article but not so sure about Richardson. He started by default, did not get completely destoyed but he needs to take the next step. He had major trouble getting off his blocks (Millard?).

#22

Posted by Brandt, June 16, 2008 1:20 PM

Raider fans crack me up. You all sound like Royals fans.. If Walker is healthy. If DMAC is that good. If this is good. Sounds like a lot of IFs to me. How about you guys win another game against us before your head gets too big. You win one game in the past 3 or 4 seasons against us and you think your so good. Dorsey is not hurt. He will be like Warren Sapp when he played for the Bucs. Sapp sucked for the Raiders just like Moss and other free agents you guys have signed. Walker is going to be the next Moss for you all if he is healthy. Win another game against us and then you all can talk. Until then it is pretty stupid to say you all are goin to compete against San Diego. I predict you all going 8-8 at best. That doesn't get you too the playoffs.

Go Chiefs

#23

Posted by MUD ROY, June 16, 2008 1:33 PM

WHAT EVER THE RAIDERS DO IS ALRIGHT BY ME, SURE I LOVE TO SEE THEM KICK BUTT. I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM ON THE FIELD! WIN, LOSE, OR DRAW, THEY ARE STILL MY RAIDERS!!!!!

#24

Posted by RaiderKen, June 16, 2008 2:03 PM

The Raiders always play the chief's close. It will come down to the wire again. The main thing that will be the factor is "Discipline". Which coaching staff can instill more Discipline in their respective teams. That's it that's all and the more disciplined team will come out on top. Who is that team? too early to tell at this point, but my money is on Kiffin and Da RAIDUH'S!

#25

Posted by OGKUSH, June 16, 2008 2:05 PM

you all brandt? not everyone thinks that.. only the reasonable raider fans, all we're saying is that the chiefs are in way more a rebuilding phase than the raiders.. which gives us the advantage... thank you.

#26

Posted by Stephen, June 16, 2008 2:13 PM

This is laughable. The Raiders offense will be limp as they become as one-dimensional as the Chiefs were last year. The good news for my fellow Chief fans is that we now have a decent defensive line for stopping the run. And I'd like to mention that Hali recorded a respectable number of sacks last year from the left side (a harder position to earn sacks). The Raiders will continue to be the joke of the AFC West until they figure out how to draft; meanwhile, the Chiefs will run Johnson/Charles all day while throwing to Gonzo/Bowe all night!!

#27

Posted by Brian, June 16, 2008 3:08 PM

Wishful thinking Raiders fans. Chronic dysfunction within the organization and coaching staff will once again get in the way of success. It's a shame too with all of the high priced vets you've signed.

#28

Posted by Vince D, June 16, 2008 3:11 PM

I think it's funny that Raiders fans think they're already so much better than the Chiefs when they finished with the same record as us last year. Oakland had a better free agency but KC had the better draft. I think they're both going to be a lot better this year, but I don't believe for a second that the Raiders are going to all of a sudden dominate the Chiefs after like 5 years of consecutive losses.

#29

Posted by SpokaneOakfan, June 16, 2008 3:15 PM

Hey Vince: what usually pays off faster, better FA period, or better draft?

You guys might be back to .500 in 5 years, but not any time soon.

Come on, Brodie Croyle? Really?

#30

Posted by Scott, June 16, 2008 3:29 PM

True. The Raiders made some decent moves, but it's just short term crap. The teams will play close just like they always do. Possible split, but most likely the Chiefs take both, as usual.

As the Chiefs are building for the future now, they will quickly pull away during the following year or two while the pitiful Faders continue to flounder around at the bottom with the declining Donkeys.

#31

Posted by Tri CIties Raida, June 16, 2008 4:06 PM

Marty-

We will refer to you as Mcfly from here on out. I mean I thought all the good marijuana was in California? Obviously youve gotten your hands on some good wacky in Missouri =)

Your right Mcfadden is just as good as Napolean Kaufman, Charlie Garner etc. I mean BOTH those guys were close to winning heismans right? Nope thats what I thought. Dont be upset that the Raiders have a better RB then Mr. signed my big deal and wuit playing (LJ) Might as well call him Shawn Alexander McFly.

You say JRuss will be gone in 5 years. AT least we know who our starter will be can you say tha same? ANd if u can then can you be assured there wont be controversy? MCFLYYYYYYYYY hello!

You suck, the Chumps suck so.....

Go find another board to troll....

EY Spokane.... SHOWIN SOME EASTERN WASHINGTON RAIDER LOVE!

PS Shock SUCK! ;)

#32

Posted by shanzilla, June 16, 2008 4:12 PM

You Chef fans are amazing. Carl Peterson has done what? Go have another hold out with one of your star players. LJ was 60% of your offensive production a couple of years ago & you wouldn't pay him. Then you trade a monster DE in Allen because you wouldn't PAY him. Take your conservative GM & coach to the cellar. I will take an agressive owner like Davis over complacency everytime. Agree or dont, Al tries & tries every year. And the argument from the KC fan on taking DMC was wrong, gamble on greatness everytime! Your Gm should try it. I look forward to Oaktowns secondary making Croyle look like a JV QB! Quit snapping your radish's

#33

Posted by pat T, June 16, 2008 5:02 PM

Hey Scott explain something to me how were the moves we mad short term? huh? Javon Walker is the oldest free agent we picked up is Javon Walker and i think he's turning 28 this season... And the Chiefs did what well people say they had a good draft but ok they picked up a beast at DT but he's injury prone... Brandon Albert a pretty good guard but you Chiefs wanna play him at left tackle, damn Brodie Croyle will be lucky to throw the ball without getting hit first... And people say that the Raiders didnt help their needs, well we did we picked up Gibril Wilson an in the box physical type safety helps against the run and it will help Michael Huff because he move back to his original positon which is free safety... DeAngelo Hall a corner which was a weakness across from Nmandi Asomoghua... The Chiefs will be lucky to be competive because on defense it will be hard to put any pressure on QB's because of your lack of talent on the D-line(without Jareed Allen), and that will expose your crappy slow corners... The O-line well i dont much about your O-linemen but i know that most likely you will have a rookie starting in the most important position in the O-line which is LT... And if its not Albert then it'll be someone thats not to good or else you wouldnt of drafted Albert... And Croyle cant do much from his backside...

And Marty no one sits around and looks at the stats from the past few years, do you really think Herm Edwards or Carl Peterson sit around looking at stats and since they have a slight lead over us in wins in the past couple of years they know they'll win NO YOU IDIOT! Past stats dont matter or the Chargers would be the last team in the division... DUMBASSES!(MARTY)

And Stephen do you really think the Raiders dont know what the Chiefs have... Michael Huff has done a pretty good job in covering Tony Gonzalez... And Asomoghua should be able to limit if not stop Dwayne Bowe's catches...

And Orpheous at the very least Al Davis isnt scared to pull the cash out and pay people unlike cheap old man Carl Peterson who let go of his best defensive player in Jareed Allen because he didnt wanna take the rubber band off his wallet and pay someone he saving for his retirement huh? Or for Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle, Glenn Dorsey, etc medical bills... Al Davis learned from his mistake thats why he signed Dmac in June, so he could avoid the JaMarcus Russell situation like last year...

And Sam Snead Lane as bad a Herm? hahahahahaha... Lane took over the worst team in the league last season who hadnt won a division game in over 5 years... And in his first season beats the Raiders hated rivals the Chiefs and Broncos... And i dont doubt that Glenn Dorsey will be good but who else does he have around him to help him? If he turns into a beast he will be double teamed all day... Tamba Hali last season was average nothing to special... So until the Chiefs get him some help to relive the pressure off himself i doubt he'll have a great impact... And to all the DUMBASS chiefs FANS WHO SAID OUR OLINE IS CRAPPIER THAN YOURS HAHAHA HILARIOUS!!! THE CHIEFS COULDNT BLOCK ANYONE LAST SEASON AND THE RAIDERS HAD AN ADEQUATE PASSING GAME AND A BEAST RUNNING GAME WITHOUT A SUPERSTAR RB... TWO SEASONS AGO THE RAIDERS GAVE UP OVER 70 SACKS LAST SEASON WE GAVE UP ABOUT 20 SOMETHING LESS THATS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT... AND THE O-LINE WILL DO NOTHING BUT IMPROVE WITH THE SAME SYSTEM, SAME COACHES,SAME PHILOSOPHY, SAME PLAYERS(SOME AQUSITIONS), ETC SO WE SHOULD DO NOTHING BUT IMPROVE...

GO RAIDERS!!!

The Chiefs will be looking for a new QB next year and probably a new coach...

Vince D

#34

Posted by pat T, June 16, 2008 5:06 PM

Hey Chiefs fans come back on this blog when Carl Peterson stops being a cheap bastard... If he had Tom Brady winnng super bowls for him he wouldnt wanna pay him... Cheap bastard... Petersons saving money for retirement huh? At least Al Davis is giving everything that he can up to win... JUST WIN BABY!

GO RAIDERS!!!

#35

Posted by Run DMC, June 16, 2008 5:11 PM

haha Kweifs have the biggest draught of making the playoffs and there in here talkin trash...get real boys your gonna make history this season perfect record 0-16, talk to us when you have a QB who can throw or mayb someone to throw too LJ is broken, you D is your only hope and its not much of one haha

RAIDERSSSS

#36

Posted by racyman, June 16, 2008 5:13 PM

We will both be improved. I see us splitting, each winning at home. The Chiefs have alot of young, talented players, LJ back, a revamped O-line, one of the best linebacking corps in the league, and an improved D-line. The main thing is we have a real offensive coordinator. We would have won 3 or 4 more games last year with any kind of offense. The question mark is Croyle. We have no idea how well he will do with some support. Corner back is another question, as we are very young, and Surtain is slowing down. We also need some more receiving threats for Croyle, Gonzalez and Tony G. can't do it all. We have 10 recievers in camp, hopefully, a couple can perform. The Raiders have made some good free agent signings, are going to have a helluva secondary, and I think your D-line will improve. You have the same question we do, how is Russell going to do? Right now, I think he has more weapons than we do, and I think McFadden will develop into a very good back, especially where you already have Fargas and Bush, so you should have a real good running game, depending on your O-line. I think, overall, we are pretty close, and the games could go anyway.

#37

Posted by Keegan, June 16, 2008 5:25 PM

Ok, serious?

the chiefs may not have the best options in the interior oline but putting albert, and waters on the left side of the line will allow for lj to bounce offtacle all day long! untill oakland shifts their linebacks its chiefs domsho! albert is still arguably equal to jake long (faster 2), and especially against richardson (whos a joke!) even if croyle cant pass the chiefs runningback core has the more depth then ne team in the nfl

chiefs-9-7

raider-7-9 (at best)

#38

Posted by Run DMC, June 16, 2008 5:28 PM

Marty Mcfly JRussel is gone in 5 years Hhaha?!?!?! cause croyle will be gone in 1 or 2 at most haha

#39

Posted by section 116row11seats12&13, June 16, 2008 5:29 PM

Chefs, know this you will be swept period dot com!

Your team is in no danger of pulling off a victory against the Raiders or Chargers your only hope for a win is to split with the donkies!

You will be lucky to get one win in div this year, and your lack of talant is funny!

Herman did the same thing with the jets, stip the team of vets and buy himself time while he claims he's rebuilding. He has no clue on how to build a team and is a defensive cordinator at best. You watched with your own eye's how bad the chefs are on offense and the line is not the biggest problem. You biggest problem is your qb stairs down his recievers and will be pick 6ed 3 times against the Raiders and 3 times against the Chargers! can you win a game with your offense making any mistakes no!

Larry will be hurt again behind this line and no threat of a passing game the defense will collaps down into the hashes and pick 6 will be a common cry from chefs fans!

BTW... Trying to deflect how pathetic your team is with BS Raiders are moving they move when they are losing is funny, for your info they won a superbowl when they moved so they didn't suck then before or after the move. Far be it for me to expect any truth to come from a mindless, spinless, Cheifs fan that will watch his team get dominated all day long by the Raiders in Oakland and KC, as well as the whole year round with the donkies victory (generous of me to assume) and victories against jets, atlanta and Miami. 4-12 is your future!

The problem for you is that is only good enough for 4 th pick and that means the jets take Tim Tebow and you end up with another DT tackle that has potential as a qb rusher and can't runstuff your momma!

Dorsey, will be this years(Gerad Warren) bust worse then Ryan who will be a no better then 500 his whole career!

#40

Posted by Run DMC, June 16, 2008 5:42 PM

Marty Mcfly you think the Jrussel will be out in the next 5 years haha that funny cause brody croyle will be out in 1....Our back up QB would make a better starter than that candy ass

Raider Nation

#41

Posted by shanzilla, June 16, 2008 6:07 PM

Keegan, why is Richardson a joke? I guess the chefs have no young deveplomental players that made their roster? The kid played fairly well in his rookie season & he actually played better than turk mcbride & tank Tyler. Stop your hating. Let the games begin!

#42

Posted by Rob Calonge, June 16, 2008 6:09 PM

Javon Walker NEWS breaking:

http://mvn.com/nfl-raiders/2008/06/16/oakland-raiders-breaking-news-2/

#43

Posted by pat T, June 16, 2008 6:12 PM

Keegan are you an IDIOT? Or are you just joking? Albert as good as Jake Long are you kidding me Albert will not be good until he's put at his orginal position which is guard... And Richardsons a joke? huh? How about Afonso Boone at DE? Richardson isnt a pass rusher he's a run stuffing DE... You want pass rush well on passing downs you'll have Kalimba Edwards and Greg Spires... And obviously the best pass rushing DE in the AFC West Derrick Burgess...

Racyman i wouldnt say that the Chiefs and Raiders are close... I also disagree that the Chiefs have one of the best LB tandems in the league with old man Donnie Edwards and unknown Derrick Johnson and who ever is the other LB... On the other hand we have Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard two future probowl LB's, if they didnt play for the Raiders they would've already made the probowl... But i do belive the Raiders vs. Chiefs games will be very close, like they always are right down to the wire...

GO RAIDERS!!!

#44

Posted by Jon Y, June 16, 2008 6:14 PM

Rob, it's not a bad analysis. But there are some major flaws.

The first most obvious flaw is giving the Raiders a +2 advantage against the Chiefs' TEs/FBs. It's hard to justify that argument given that Tony Gonzalez is coming off an almost 1,200 yard season and I wouldn't say that holding Gonzalez to 114 yards over two games would be considered "shutting him down." The Chiefs have an advantage in the passing game. In the running game, your analysis completely ignores the fact that Chan Gailey uses a ton of 2-TE sets, which makes Brad Cottam mostly an every-down starter. Cottam should be a marginal contributor to the passing game, but an enormous benefit to the run game. If you don't believe it, think of it this way: what would you rather have? 2 TEs and a Fullback blocking (the Chiefs) or 1 TE, 1 WR, and a Fullback blocking? That's a pretty easy answer. There's no way the Raiders have a +2 advantage, let alone +1. More likely than not, the Chiefs have a +1 advantage. That's good for a 1-3 point swing in your point total in favor of the Chiefs.

To that end... your point about Burgess... keep in mind that if Burgess starts to dominate Brandon Albert, then the Chiefs can slide Cottam in as a blocker to double him. It's like using an extra lineman. That takes one receiver off the field, but it definitely tames the matchup. I don't know that I would give a +2 advantage on that, especially given that McIntosh should do a pretty good job on the right side.

Finally, and most importantly, I think you have a completely skewed view of the two in terms of run defense. Here's where I believe your analysis becomes a little biased. You pump up the Raiders' LBs/Safeties in pass D, but not the Chiefs', nevermind that Derrick Johnson has been one of the better LBs in the league in pass coverage and Donnie Edwards/Napoleon Harris have been known to be very good pass defenders (if, at the sacrifice of a little run defense). On pass D, the Chiefs have the advantage, simply because they have a good unit against Zach Miller whereas the Raiders have a very good unit against Tony Gonzalez. From the run D, I think you are very largely downplaying the problems with lining up Tommy Kelly next to Terdell Sands. When you compare the Chiefs' LBs side-by-side with the Raiders', keep in mind that Dorsey/Boone will likely keep RBs out of the middle of the defense (a huge benefit to LBs in the run D), while the Raiders will likely let a lot of RBs onto the second level untouched simply because of their leaky interior run D in the trenches. So when you say that the Raiders will win the trench battle, I don't know how you can make that claim given their interior problems, not to mention that Burgess isn't exactly a stud run defender himself. While the Raiders got better on a lot of levels, that interior run D is still a huge problem, and the Chiefs have one of the best interior runners in the game in LJ. I don't think you could possibly say that the Raiders have an advantage here. They're pretty evenly matched, if you ask me.

In the end, I believe the way it plays out is that the two teams are mostly a wash on run offense, the Raiders have a slight edge on pass offense (due to the Chiefs' lack of a secondary or pass rush), the Chiefs have a edge on run defense (mostly because of the Raiders' complete lack of a defensive interior), and a major advantage on pass defense. The team is much more evenly matched than your +10 advantage would imply. I think you did a good job but were FAR too liberal on the +2 advantages. The Raiders still probably end up still a few points ahead, but not 10. Not even close.

#45

Posted by pat T, June 16, 2008 6:15 PM

Run DMC let me tell you something Croyle wont be out because he sucks, he'll be out because of injuries with a crappy O-line... hahaha!

GO RAIDERS!!!

#46

Posted by Keegan, June 16, 2008 6:43 PM

hey Pat

do u have downs!?

Boone's a dt n will always b!

him n dorsey r the reason u n ur oaks cant go through the middle!

ur only hope is goin offtackle or toss, and even if u do demmorio williams is one of the fastest defensive players in the league!

so if ur plannin on gettin outside ur rb's better hawl ass to beat him to the sideline

n Shanzilla

u can talk trash about mcbride cuz the guy is a joke in will probably b released or b the weakside of a trade next season, but don't even mention the tank!

tank Tyler was the strongest dt comin out of the 07 draft! give him a year or 2 n ur lookin at the next kevin williams!

GO CHIEFS!!!

#47

Posted by CHIEFS63/78/58, June 16, 2008 7:03 PM

Just to set some of your faider facts straight. al said in cheaters of the decade 8 faiders in hof, you lost more afl and afc championships that you won, 0-16 was already set by bucs in 76. And your 'just win baby' hasn't worked in yrs. The CHIEFS were in playoffs in 06 WHERE WERE YOU AT!!The one thing that you really gave the NFL was that 'stickem stuff' that they outlawed but still let freddie b get into the hall. So congrats to the cheaters of the decades!!

#48

Posted by Superbowl again, June 16, 2008 7:48 PM

Keep doing matchups like this.

Great job.

#49

Posted by Faider, June 16, 2008 7:53 PM

Javon Walker passed out in Vegas

Raiders -$11,000,000 signing bonus

LOL...Bitches

#50

Posted by xobn1050, June 16, 2008 8:13 PM

Hey Jon Y You talk about Rob adjusting the analysis, but you do the same. You just point matter of fact that T.Gonzalez has an advantage on the passing game but you work it so there is a "advantage" that only Chief fans see. Gonzalez is your only good player but you put him on double Te set to also dominate on the run. The Raiders have fast coverage LB and new improved safeties, meanwhile your team has the same defenders at safety and LB. If you go with double TE for the run, the defense will be ready for that, especially when you have to remove a receiving threat. I think Dorsey will be good, eventually but just to dismiss Kelly is ignorant.

#51

Posted by RAIDERS KITTY, June 16, 2008 8:43 PM

KANSAS CITY IS THE STOP MOST FOOTBALL PLAYERS AND BASEBALL PLAYERS ALIKE MAKE BEFORE THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WIN IT ALL. MITCHELL WENT TO THE GIANTS RIGHT??? THE SUPERBOWL WANTS NO PART OF KANSAS CITY.

#52

Posted by TX CHIEFAN, June 16, 2008 8:45 PM

The article was a good breakdown of the Raiders and my Cheifs. Of course, I will have to disagree on some of the weighting and strength analysis, but overall I look forward to the actual matchups. I can easily see splitting with each winning at home. For decades the Raiders have been my archenemies, but I have to say that I look forward to watching them beat the Broncos along with us this year. I'd also like to see the Bolts getting beat by us both, even though can't say that with money on the line. I will be bold enough to say that in two to three years the Chiefs and Raiders will be toe to toe fightting for the AFC West title while the bolts and donkeys are in the cellar. Glad to see us bantering back and forth in fun though instead of having a bunch of jerks. I honestly see the end of the season with the Chargers at 11 wins, Chiefs 9 wins, Raiders 8 wins, and Broncos 7 wins. Here's hoping we both kick donkey butt.

#53

Posted by pat T, June 16, 2008 8:58 PM

Keegan are you an idiot? Yes if you go to the Chiefs blog it says Herm has moved Boone to DE... And sure Williams is a fast LB not as fast as Thomas Howard, also Williams isnt the greatest tackler at least he wasnt when he played for the Falcons... And dont worry Dmac is kind of fast i think he ran a 4.2 40yd dash... So dont worry about speed... And i dont belive that Dorsey will have an immediate impact on your team especially going up against our HUGE guards Robet Gallery is 300+lbs and so is Cooper Carslile... Also now we have a proven durabale veteran center in John Wade... Also Tank Tyler the next Kevin Williams hahahaha are you STUPID! YEAH! So strong thats why Herm Edwards used the 4th overall pick on a new DT(Glenn Dorsey) Why wouldnt he put Boone and Tyler in the middle if there so good?

And Chiefs63/... You were in the playoffs in 06? Really cause all i remeber was that the Colts CRUSHED THIS PATHETIC HIGH SCHOOL team with UGLY ASS KETCHUP & MUSTARD UNIFORMS! Well whatever i hope you enjoyed those playoffs because your gonna have to make that memory last you for the next 10 to 15 years... Or at least untill you fire Carl "Cheap bastard" Peterson... Even if Al Davis isnt the best owner it doesnt matter at least the man wants to win and he's not here to impress people or for people to like him, he's here to JUST WIN BABY!

GO RAIDERS!!!

#54

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#55

Posted by The Prophet, June 17, 2008 5:28 AM

Rob- Good article until you end with Croyle over JRock. How in the world you could put Croyle above JRock is beyond me. JRock has more talent in his pinky then Croyle has in his whole body. JRock in his very limited playing time looked good and even put up some highlight material stuff while playing with a very limited playbook. He has now spent an entire off season learning the offense and gotten in the best shape of his life. On top of that Al Davis has surrounded him with some serious talent. Chief fans you may want to take some notes this is what you call setting up your young QB for success.

Meanwhile Croyle could barely even get on the field because he couldn't beat out Damon Huard? When he did, he spent more time on his back and that was with Roaf as his LT. He'll now have a rookie OG playing as his LT? There is ZERO doubt in my mind that Croyle will be lucky to make it through the first couple games this season. Regardless the Raiders easily weep the Chefs this year.

As for clueless fans, take a look at the idiots who call out Al Davis for being dysfunctional yet ignore the fact that Carl Peterson is hands down one of the worse GM's in the game. I do believe Al Davis was in the SB this DECADE on top of that he has THREE LOMBARDI's. The only thing I'll be saying to any chiefs fan this season will be SCOREBOARD BIATCHES....

#56

Posted by CHIEFS63/78/58, June 17, 2008 7:23 AM

hey pat t we were there but but you cheaters weren't and the last few playoffs the cheaters made have been LOSERS so keep those memories fresh in your nightmares.

GO CHIEFS in 08!! AND BEYOND!!

#57

Posted by Jon, June 17, 2008 2:02 PM

Xobn, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Gonzalez is a very good run blocker for a tight end and has, ever since Dick Vermeil started coaching him, be an effective every-down TE. So it's not like Gonzalez's role changes with a two-TE set. The only thing that changes is that there's another TE on the opposite side of Gonzalez that will be blocking. And again, having fast LBs is one thing, but there's no doubt that if a TE gets engaged on a block on a LB, it's much harder for a LB to shed that block than if a WR were to block him. That's just common sense.

The Raiders have good LBs/Safeties. But recall that LBs/Safeties at ANY position are lighter and most power backs will put a bruising on these guys if they get to the second level untouched. The Chiefs, for example, have very light LBs, which makes it very important for the D-line to keep the RB from running at full speed. If LJ gets into the second level, it's going to be difficult enough for LBs/Safeties to tackle him. If LJ gets untouched into the second level and is running in a straight line at full speed, then it is going to be extremely, extremely difficult for LBs/Safeties to tackle him. That's not just true for LJ, that's true for any power back.

So you can see how the play of the LBs/Safeties is extremely dependent on the play of the defensive tackles. You don't want a RB running after your lighter weight back seven at full speed.

Gonzalez is your only good player but you put him on double Te set to also dominate on the run. The Raiders have fast coverage LB and new improved safeties, meanwhile your team has the same defenders at safety and LB. If you go with double TE for the run, the defense will be ready for that, especially when you have to remove a receiving threat. I think Dorsey will be good, eventually but just to dismiss Kelly is ignorant.

#58

Posted by A Raider M-F***ker, June 17, 2008 4:14 PM

All you cheif fans talking trash, and for what? When was the last time your team won the super bowl? When was the last time your team even won a playoff game for that matter? We may have our bad years, but at least they don't last for 40 year stretches. The last time you guys did anything was super bowl 2. At least we genuinely competed with teams last year, while you guys just got destroyed. What have you improved besides your d-line, which depends on the productivity of dorsey. At least we drafted in a position with the knowledge that if d-mac doesn't work out, no problem. We still have a 1000 yard rusher to depend on. Then we made moves to improve the rest of our team while you guys are still drooling over the potentilal of your draft. It doesn't matter how good you guys draft. You will never win another super bowl and you can only dream of loving a team that has accomplished has much has the raiders have. I'll love to see all of your faces turn red enough to match that horrific shade of red your team sports when we sweep you guys this next season.

#59

Posted by Phlip, June 17, 2008 7:47 PM

Hey guys just let the Gayder Nation have their few months of something to be excited about, I mean thats all the have right. I'm not going to say who has the advantage, because it will do no good. So when the Gayders play the Chiefs, hope that everyone from your side gets back on here so that we can say we told you so. For everyone saying that the Chiefs were just blown out every game last year, then why were we ranked 14th in points scored against, so get your facts straight. Like I said, I'm going to give you your offseason to be happy, after week two then we shall meet on here and then see what you have to say, so until then have fun while it lasts.

Chiefs beating The Raiders since FOREVER!!!!

#60

Posted by Geoff, June 17, 2008 11:24 PM

Raiders and Chiefs both suck. But if i were to pick one of these horrible teams to come on top it would be the Chiefs. Jamarcus Russell starting his first year ever in the NFL and history tells us its a difficult time for any QB even Peyton and Favre had rough first seasons. Plus the fact that Jamarcus is a fat and wasnt even as hyped as Matt Leinart who everyother week last year seem to lose his job due to injury or Kurt Warner lol. Faders are pitiful. Javon (give me my) Walker not only has busted up knees but now has a busted up face from gettin robbed prolly by some prepubescent boys in Vegas. And if you think Dmac is gonna explode like AP then you are dreaming in another wonderland far from reality. Hes gonna be playing second fiddle in a 2 possibly 3 back system all year behind a line that doesn't even rival the JV high school line. Remember how AP was behind a very talented line? Raiders not so much.

All that and i havent even talked about how atrocious the coaching staff is. Lane Kiffin? yea he looks like a guy who will be winning some football games. How many coaches turned down the job? do you remember Lane wasnt exactly on the top of Al Davis' list of head coaches?

I feel sorry for you raider fans. stringing together what 19 wins in 5 seasons? thats less than 4 games per year. simply pathetic in every regard. This run of horrible teams put together rivals those Buccaneers when they went 0-27 when they first came into the league. You expect that a rookie RB a broke down WR and unproven QB with 0 starts will make you a 'better team'. Laughable. Your offense will be at the bottom of the NFL you will get 0 wins in the division not something you haven't acclimated to already and will be waiting to see how your overlord Al Davis will blow the 2009 season for you by week 4.

This is a pitiful franchise with the glory days 24 years in the past.

Not to leave out the Chiefs but you chiefs fans understand your problems unlike the faider nation who are lost in a black hole...pun intended.

out.

#61

Posted by Brian, June 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Navy Raider...wow. Just finished reading your post. Interesting historical analysis, but we are talking about TODAYS strengths and weaknesses, aren't we? You know...two rival teams with glaring imperfections in their current rosters battling it out for AFC West mediocrity. Personally, I'm looking forward to '09, when the Raiders again will be looking for the quick fix coach and next big free agent and the Chiefs will be enjoying the benefits of a talented young team built through the rigors quality draft analysis.

#62

Posted by Brian, June 18, 2008 12:38 AM

...and to attack the people of a fine Midwestern city who support a team that was integral (along with your Raiders team) to the successful launch of the AFC is uncalled for. And, to drag poor James Garner into it is REALLY unfair! Hetfield used to rock, so I'll give him a pass.

#63

Posted by Navy Raider, June 18, 2008 3:17 AM

You know, I can't help but read all of the Chiefs fans saying things like "beat us again and you can talk" "The Raiders are losers, dysfunction in the front office" blah blah blah. why don't we look at some numbers. Shall we?

How many AFC conference Championships does KC have? Oh, Zero? Really, how sad. How many years has it been since the Chiefs won a Super Bowl? 39 Years? Really? The 1969 season?

Wow, 1969 was the year that:

The Boeing 747 made it's maiden flight

Nixon visited South Vietnam

Woodstock happened

Larry Brown (the former Raider) was born

Ho Chi Minh died. Ho Chi Freaking Minh!!!

Have we had a substandard last few years? Yes, however we have won: 12 AFC West titles to your 5, 4 AFC Championships to your zero and 3 Super Bowls to your 1.

Not only that, but I can count among my fellow Raider Nation residents:

James Hetfield

Tom Hanks

Tiger Woods

James Garner

Ice Cube

Carlos Santana

Hunter S. Thompson (R.I.P)

and many more.

Pretty neat list of people who love the Silver and Black, who are the Chief's big backers? Besides Carl "Who needs a servicable quarterback" Peterson

You know I always figured Chief's "fans" were just bitter about the ugly team colors or the boring logo (though the boring logo fits your boring city perfectly) but I guess the bitterness stems from your obvious inferiority to the Raiders over the years (see above statistics, 12-5 is the main one I am referring to) I mean if my team hadn't won a title in nearly 40 years, I guess I would be pretty angry too.

But at least it's only been 13 years since Montana took you to the Super...ohhhh that's right, the Colts won that game didn't they? Lin Elliot gets my vote to be the representative of the Chiefs fortunes over the last 4 decades.

Know your enemy. If any of you did, you'd know better than to badmouth the Raiders past present and future. Bunch of tools wearing your silly Village People outfits, have fun with that, as much fun as you have had with the mediocrity and choke artistry of your godforsaken franchise from your godforsaken state over the last 39 years.

P.S. Geoff (is that pronounced Gee Off? or Gae Off?, but I digress) Our lasat "glory year" was when we made it to the super bowl in January of 2003...remember that? When we should have played in two straight if not for Tom Brady's "tuck" luck? Only 5 teams have won it since we were last in the Super Bowl, none of which is the Chiefs, but I guess the Chiefs aren't your team, who might it be? Please let us know.

#64

Posted by Geoff, June 18, 2008 11:44 AM

Hey Navy Raider glad to see i ruffled your feathers a little bit with my comment, its pronounced 'Jeff' by the way but obviously you are just ignorant about pronunciation as you are about your horrible raider football franchise.

I see that you and the rest of the raider fans are still hung up on Tom Brady's tuck well time to get over it. They ended up winning a superbowl that year didn't they? Something your awful raiders havent accomplished in the last 2 and half decades.

If you consider getting beat by the patriots in the AFC championship game one year only to get to the superbowl the next year to get smacked around by the Buccaneers (48-21) i believe was the final score of that one then obviously you are a fader fan reminiscing about your so called glory days.

But history is all you faider fans have to look at since your future looks pretty bleak.

Maybe if your boy Tiger would strap on a helmet he could win something for your franchise since he seems to get the whole 'winning' thing. But unless some sort of divine miracle occurs, like al davis stepping off his pedestal dont expect more than 5 wins a season for the next 2 and half decades.

Ill give you a hint. The team i root for is better than the raiders. than narrows it down to 31.....

#65

Posted by Phlip, June 18, 2008 4:51 PM

Navy Raider, you talk about know your enemy. It was the Bills that beat the Chiefs with Montana you tard. Last season was our worst season in over 25 years, if you want to talk about the past, how many seasons have you guys had like last year. Lets see oh yeah SEVEN!!!

1987 5-10

1997 4-12

2003 4-12

2004 5-11

2005 4-12

2006 2-14

2007 4-12

GAYDER

NATION

LUNATIC AND

THE COACH

HA!!! Nobody wanted to work for this joke of an organization!!! After every quality potential Head Coach in football (College and NFL) rejected this pathetic bunch of hoodlums, Senile Al hired another puppet and the Raider Nation are praising the choice as the next coming of Lombardi. 31 year old Lane Kiffen?!?! Are you kidding me?!?!

COMMITMENT TO ABSURDITY

"What do ya' mean you never heard of this little kid?

He's the very famous Coach Train Piffin .... err ... whatever ..."

NOW I know what you mean by "Just win "BABY."

STILL DOWN IN OAKTOWN

When will someone take the crayons away from Al Davis? If you're an Oakland idiot fan pretender, this era in Davis' stewardship just has to be killing you. The rest of us, however, are thoroughly enjoying the comedy troupe that is the Raiders. Can Lance, er, Lane Kiffin actually make a collegiate scheme work at the professional level, using an inept roster to execute his designs? The whole coaching staff is going to be made up of College Coaches he brings in, which fits with a team that plays college level football in the NFL. Figure on Oakland taking a quarterback in the '07 Draft -- perhaps JaMarcus Russell -- with the No. 1 pick, and ruining his health behind a porous offensive line.

Face it Jokeland fans, you're rooting for the joke of the NFL. Raider Nation? I think not!!! Laughing stock maybe!?!?

A man walked into an Oakland bar with a dachshund under his arm. The dog was wearing an Oakland Raiders jersey and helmet, and was festooned with Raiders pom-poms.

The bartender said, "Hey! No pets are allowed in here! You'll have to leave!"

The guy begged him, "Look, I'm desperate. We're both big fans, my TV is broken, and this is the only place around where we can see the game!"

After securing a promise that the dog will behave, and warning him that he and the dog will both be thrown out if there's any trouble, the bartender relented and allowed them to stay in the bar and watch the game.

The big game began with the Raiders receiving the kickoff. They marched down the field, got stopped at about the 30, and kicked a field goal.

With that the dog jumped up on the bar, and began walking up and down the bar giving high-fives to everyone.

The bartender said, "Wow, that is the most amazing thing I've ever seen! What does the dog do when the Raiders score a touchdown?"

The owner replied, "I don't know, I've only had him for 4 years." Raiders suck

"LAUGHINGSTOCK: The gorilla pit or whatever Oakland wants to call it now is a thing of the past. It's become almost comical to watch the poor souls trying to justify their lives. It really does not speak to the team but more to the city and its place in the mix of our country. If anyone wants to see really rabid home town fans, just watch the crazy fans in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Washington and Green Bay. That's the true NFL, always was, and alway will be. But the NFL knows a freak show when it sees it, and will show it during the season as it guarantees viewers. Too bad the Oakland Raiders fans don't know that they are being laughed at.

Now aren't you proud to be a stupid Raider fan?!?! Hang up your Halloween costume.

Stay out of our city and stay out of our stadium or you'll just have to keep getting embarrassed by an ass kicking.

The Universe hates you, the Universe is laughing at you, you're a pitiful "Nation".

THE RAIDERS ARE SO BAD THEIR FANS ARE NOW WEARING TWO EYE PATCHES

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SEE THEM GET SLAUGHTERED.

Question: What's the difference between a new puppy and a Raiders fan?

Answer: The puppy eventually stops whining.

** NAME CHANGE **

The Oakland Raiders will be changed to the "Oakland Tampons" as they are only good for one period and have no second string.

** COACHING CHANGES **

Lane Kiffen will be replaced by Monica Lewinsky. She will no doubt blow a few, but she certainly won't choke on 12 out of 16.

Question: What's the difference between a Raiders fan and a bucket of shit? Answer: The bucket.

What would you call a pregnant Raiders fan? A dope carrier.

What do you call a Raiders fan with half a brain? Gifted.

Do you know what "Raiders" actually stands for? Raider Asshole Idiots Doing Excruciating Rap Songs.

There's a rumor that Al Davis has lined up a new corporate sponsor for the Raiders - Tampax. He though it was appropriate since the team is going through a very bad period.

How do you save a Raider fan from drowning? Mop up the vomit.

What do you call a sheep tied to a light-post in Oakland? A recreation center.

What do you call a Raiders fan with lots of girlfriends? A Shepherd.

What do you call a Raiders fan with five sheep? A pimp.

What's the difference between a Raiders fan and a Chimp? Ones hairy, stupid and smells, and the other is a Chimpanzee.

An anxious woman goes to her doctor. "Doctor," she asks nervously, "I'm worried sick - can you get pregnant from anal intercourse?" "Of course," replies the doctor, "Where do you think Raiders fans come from?"

You're trapped in a room with a Lion, Cobra snake and a Raiders fan. You have a gun with two bullets. What should you do? Shoot the Raiders fan - twice.

#66

Posted by teofilo dimaano, June 20, 2008 6:36 AM

to all ........just remember ......"THATS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!" CANT WAIT FOR THE 2008 SEASON!!!!!!!

#67

Posted by pat T, June 22, 2008 11:46 PM

This guy Philip is an ignorant SON OF A BITCH, but hey got to a Raiders game and say this? And get an ass whooping...

GO RAIDERS!!!

#68

Posted by CHIEFS63/78/58, June 23, 2008 10:44 AM

Hey phlip GREAT posts. Not only do the CHEARTERS get their facts wrong most can't spell past 3rd grade level! Hey cheater m-fer you guys got WHIPPED by the over the hill Packers in SB2!After that WIN Lombardi retired most of those old guys was traded or sent to the new team of NO. Saints And for those that was dumped by GB they all never was the same again. Chiefs won more games (over100) more AFL Championships(3) was 1st and last AFL team in SB.And 11of the 44 alltime best of the AFL players was CHIEFS not cheaters.

#69

Posted by Venomx41inKC, June 23, 2008 9:56 PM

F*** the chefs! i live in kc and you cry babbies out here talk crap about your own team when they suck (which is all the time) my RAIDERS may have sucked too since we played in the SB but i belive you b****'s been watchin the SB right along w/ us last time you made the playoffs it was a fluke denver loss that sent you and dont get me started about the suck a** donkeys you tricks are goin to fight w/ the chefs for last. All donkey fans be infront of a t.v. on Sept 8 at what ever time it is in your city when MNF starts. Back to kc fans you fair weather fans better take notes from the onslought of D that we put on denver then you try to stop us the next week. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!! Get cha kleenex ready, skip T.O. and popcorn i already know you gonna lose. LJ HATES KC!!!! He dont wanna be here i heard the cd my friend was the one that recorded it in his studio. Just think if you chefs fans would have loved LJ like you did priest"sorry i cant finish one season without getting hurt" holmes then maybe LJ would play for you. Insted you hope the relic holmes comes outa retirement. Now that's laughable!! Last time the chefs did anything half you fans weren't even born and the other half that were wont even bet ya money on a game so put up or shut up. Quit bein cpu tough guys and go put ya money where your mouth is. Al i am on your side i see the master plan they just gotta jell as a team. after the win on mon night against denver watch my team jell.

GO OAK!!!!!!

#70

Posted by CHIEFS63/78/58, June 25, 2008 7:04 PM

hey vermonx for some one who hates KC LJs sure is being a TEAM player this year and not pouting like all the time since he's been here. Just like the rest of The cheaters you can't get facts straight to save your boodwaa Preist didn't get hurt till 3rd yr and came back the next yr then got hurt big time.LJ had to share playing time thru 1st 8 with him that yr. He saw the writing on the wall last with Herms youth move and the way Kolby played as rookie. Now we got Charles and he's got to get it together or he's gone BIG TIME!! Like CP said ''we can't trade LJ till next yr because of his contract". So batten down your hatchets me boy's fur yere in fur a long lonely winter!! ENJOY it you cheaters! GO CHIEFS IN 08 AND WAY BEYOND!!!

#71

Posted by Phlip, June 25, 2008 8:51 PM

Here we go another ignorant Faider fan "Pat T", hey pat you know a great thing about not being part of the Gayder Nation, I mean besides not liking a gay team, not worrying about our criminal records. I am more than certain that three quarters of Faider fans have a felony record. It really goes to show how intelligent the Gayder Nation is, anytime you have something to say about the Raiders "Well you don't like the Raiders well uh I'm going to beat your ass or stab you." Real cool guys, very scary. You do win the award for "Most Ignorant Retarded Sports Fans", Pat T its people like you that never amount to anything or accomplish anything, and just waste tax money on your stupid ass while you sit in jail/prison but hey at least you can say that all that you did with your life was beat/stab/kill someone because they dissed your team. Hey awsome great life.

And now for Vermonx, if you hate KC so much then get the hell out. Everything you had to say was biased, no facts just we're going to win and thats that. I can't even believe that someone like you lives in KC. I thought they cleaned out all the TARDS, but I guess we missed one. "They just need to jell as a team." What they need to do is retire the team and their fans and the makeup and stupid Halloween costumes, and start from scratch. Then maybe the team will get better, oh I hope I don't get stabbed, or "And get an ass whooping�" be sure to wear your gay pirate costumes so I will be really scared when I run into you at the CHIEFS vs. raiders game.