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The Oakland Raiders have LaMont Jordan, Justin Fargas, Dominic Rhodes, Michael Bush, and Adimchinobe Echemandu. Is that stable of running backs enough for the Raiders? Raider X takes an in depth look. He also looks at the most controversial name floating through the Raider Nation right now and looks at the potential drafting of Darren McFadden out of Arkansas. If the Raiders are to draft McFadden, how would he fit in the crowded backfield? Raider X breaks it all down.

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by Raider X

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Last time, I looked at the Quarterback position of the NFL draft. Obviously not a big need so I spent about 10 minutes of thought into that. Running back could be a different bag of bananas. That is of course, how you look at it. You might say the Raiders are good. They have leading rusher Justin Fargas returning with a deal that is pretty decent for both sides. Dominic Rhodes redid his deal and looks like a lock to stay on as the 3rd down RB and kick returner. I am just proofreading this article and realized I said nothing about Lamont Jordan. Well, did you see him at the Maryland Terps women��s basketball game the other night? That��s about all he will be talked about until his trade or releasing him. Then there is Michael Bush. If he had been healthy in college, he would have been a first round draft pick vying for the 2nd spot taken with Marshawn Lynch. Of course, he hurt his leg badly in his first game of 06 with the Louisville Cardinals. He hasn��t played since. I stand behind the coaching staff if they made the decision that he shouldn��t have played last season. If he can be healthy and regain his form, he has the look of Tyrone Wheatley (with better moves and less power) during the 1999/2000 seasons. A comparison to a current NFL RB would be a faster version of Ladell Betts of the Washington Redskins.

Then there are the people who say Fargas has never spent 16 games in one season healthy and as starter. Michael Bush gets hurts every other year. Dominic Rhodes is a 30 year old scat back who hasn��t carried a full year��s load since like 2001. So who��s right? Well you both are in my not so humble opinion. The Raiders have a very diverse running game and 3 guys who can carry the rock for 16 games, 17, 18, or even 19 if we are really lucky for once. At the top of this draft is Darren McFadden, running back of Arkansas. I love McFadden; I think he��s a great player and the biggest talent of the draft regardless of position. Do I think he is Adrian Peterson? Nope, He��s not as powerful but is more explosive. I am going to make a comparison that��s going to make a few of you scratch your domes.

McFadden is a lot like LaDanian Tomlinson. LDT is shiftier but if you look at his running style, it��s usually one quick cut and the Raiders safeties are at a bad angle and running behind him. McFadden is a good receiver and a decent thrower from playing in the Wild Hog formation. For those who have never heard of Wild Hog, I��m not talking about the crappy biker movie with Tim Allen and John Travolta, I am talking about Arkansas spreading the field and putting McFadden as an option QB and letting him run loose.

There are some ��character questions�� with McFadden. Allegedly he is the proud parent to be of 2 children from 2 different women. He also got involved with a skirmish at a piano bar in Little Rock. Note to Darren, going to a piano bar in San Francisco is going to illicit some questions and they won��t be of the character sort. Be careful chasing skirts in the bay area if you go there. Speaking of San Francisco, how dumb is that franchise that they try and have illegal deals with players. The get caught and still don��t sign the guy.

Now here is the question, would I draft him? Yes. He is a dynamic weapon who would add to the credibility of an improved running game and could contribute to the passing game as soon as he learns to pass block for the Raiders. I don��t think he will ever be a 350 carry guy but he won��t ever need to be with guys like Fargas, Bush and Rhodes around. I look for him to start his career utilized as a weapon like Reggie Bush.

This is a great running back draft, no doubt about it. Position wise, the running backs in this draft could go down like the 1983 Quarterback and 1996 Wide Receiver drafts. Just saying it��s McFadden or no one is a bit narrow minded. Guys like Rashard Mendenhal of Illinois, Jonathan Stewart of Oregon and McFadden��s teammate Felix Jones would all be great picks, just not at pick 4. The only way the Raiders would look at those guys is if they traded down for more picks. Since Al Davis has never traded down in round one and currently have no other picks for 4 rounds, I won��t go into details about them.

Plus I just got done working out and need a shower.

I��m dirtier than the Patriots film department.

Raider X is a regular contributer to Thoughts from the Dark Side. If you would like to contribute, email me at mvnraider at yahoo.com��

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Posted by Corey O, March 27, 2008 12:39 AM

LDizzle,

When people compare McFadden to Tomlinson, they are referring to versatility. They are both highly dynamic; I believe most know why.

McFadden is the closet thing, right now, to a "homerun hitter" behind only Peterson and Barber.

As far as flat-out pure running and agility, Tomlinson can't see Sanders.

Tomlinson's moves are great (no doubt); Sander's moves were Awesome. Regarding overall effectiveness, I'd go with Tomlinson. But he'll never run like Barry (I'd like to see someone who can).

Peterson runs unconscious; he's just gets into a zone and he is the future of the ground game.

Fantasy-wise; Barber is the man. I say this because, everyone is going to be all over AD squared, LT, SJax, and Addai. But I Iike Barber's unyielding and imposing beast-like will. Many runners lack this hunger.

Anyway, back on the trail. We have a sufficiently effective backfield. So I would love for the impossible to occur; Jake Long falling into our lap; or an improbable; trading down for more picks (which is quite rare for AD). I imagine us yanking Dorsey or Gholsten respectively. However, I will not be hating, should we snare McFadden. As the sand nears its end, we shall see.

Posted by J.Rasmussen, March 27, 2008 5:44 AM

Good call, but I believe DE and OT are more pressing needs. If Chris Long is there, take him. If not trade down with NYJ and take Dorsey, Golston or Ellis.

Posted by Dan, March 27, 2008 6:10 AM

I would be perfectly happy to go into the season with the RB that are on the roster. But since it looks like if Mcfadden is at #4 Al is going to take him, we can take a look at what might he bring to the team.

As far as his character flaws I have not heard anything that would be considered to be more than a college student having fun. A fight in a piano bar leaves it open to many scenarios of why it started. As for the other issue Raider X brought up it merely shows a lack of judgement in a excited cituation. Grade "C" with the hope it was only college fun.

As for his skill set, that is not in question. The main question is how is his work ethic going to be in the Pros. If he comes in and works like a slow, undersized, and overrated Florida Gator did(Emmitt Smith) the possibilities are endless. With all the talk of a can't miss prospect we must ask ourselves what is the difference between a great pro and a servicable one.

Look at three positions, and argueably the best at them:

Best QB(or at least top three) Joe Montana: No speed, weak arm, but the uncanny ablitlity to know where everyone is going to be at anytime.(4 rings)

Contrast: Randall Cunningham. In my opinion the most physically talented QB ever to enter the game. The things he could do would make you sick! No heart in the crucile games.(No rings)

Best RB(Only by numbers but that is what we have to go by)Emmitt Smith, was considered slow and undersized for the NFL, but because of work ethic and HEART, eclipsed Sweetness' mark and became the NFL's alltime leading rusher.

Contrast:Bo Jackson(sorry only an injury derailed that train)Hershel Walker: other than Bo, the most overall talented RB in the game, a good career but not great.

BEST WR:Jerry Rice, again slow and undersized out of a small college, show work ethic, HEART, and football speed to eclipse every receiving record that matters. Even as he got older and slower his hands and route running ablility showed how much he wanted to be a good teammate.

Contrast:Randy Moss and T.O.(Both have enormus talent and EGOS)Take Randy for instance, if he had half the heart and desire of Rice we probably wouldn't talk about rice at all. T.O. has burned more bridges than are in Madison County.

Mcfadden has a intense upside especially with his speed in a ZBlocking system that could be very scary to any defensive co. who has to stop him. But he must have heart and the ability to put ego aside and be a good teammate. Mendenhal has that now, and after watching most of Arkansas' games Mcfadden may be able to do so.

CAN'T MISS PROSPECT = GOOD TALENT AND UNMEASURABLE HEART.

Posted by Comit2Excellence, March 27, 2008 6:23 AM

Guys, I'll preface this by saying I'm originally from Arkansas, and went to the Univ. of Arkansas. That said, I'm going to be a McFadden advocate, but I'll try to use logic to layout why the Raiders need McFadden. Offensively, where is the explosive player, when was the last explosive player the Raider had on offensive, Charlie Garner, Nap Kaufman, Timmy Brown in his prime, exactly, we haven't had a home run hitter in a while. Here's what I propose, draft McFadden if he's there, if not, take Dorsey (LSU DT). Package, Jordon (too slow), and Fargas to get the draft picks back, or maybe even another first round draft choice. I think Fargas is a number two back, he doesn't break tackles, and he isn't fast enough to take it 80 yards. Keep Bush, as the change up, and Rhodes as the 3rd down receiver out of the back field.

Posted by Corey O, March 27, 2008 7:45 AM

Comit2Excellence,

What happens when McFadden goes down? 'Just askin'. Please don't reply with Rhodes or Bush.

What happened when Jordan went down? Precisely! 'Just sayin'.

It would be pretty safe to say that, in terms of #2, Rhodes and Bush are Esurance; and Fargas is Allstate.

Bush possesses unlimited potential (barring his recent injury); however this potential is yet to be realized (in other words, Janet Jackson's - "What have you done for me lately?")

Let's sit down and really think about this "logically" (as though we truly had a tangible fincial stake in this decision). Separating from Fargas would be so detrimental to our bearing. No! 'Would be so tragic; that's the word. Tragic.

Peace in the Middle East. I'm Audi.

Posted by josh, March 27, 2008 7:53 AM

Couldn't agree less. I don't even think Dmac is that far ahead of his teammate, Felix, let alone the rest of the class.

Comparisons are likely to be drawn to Adrian Peterson, as they were both highly touted players coming out early. I'm not the first to say this, but I'll say it again. AP had a breakout season because he had Steve Hutchinson, Bryant McKinnie, Matt Birk, and Tony Richardson. We have a left tackle who wasn't good enough to stick around on the Niners. Don't get me wrong, I've got loads of faith in Tom Cable. But just imagine what he could do with someone like Jake Long, Ryan Clady, etc.

On the other side of the football, we've got an All-Pro secondary. Unfortunately, I can't see them having much to do back there. If I were an opposing OC, I would run the ball all day. As our line stands right now, I don't see any indications of us being able to stop the run.

Do you guys remember when Emmitt went to the Cardinals? (or, when Edge went there as well) These guys are bound for the HOF, and they couldn't average more than 3 yds a carry there.

My point is thus: the best running backs in the world won't help if you can't get the D off the field, or if you can't block long enough to throw the ball on 3rd down. Draft linemen!

Posted by Mad Road Dog, March 27, 2008 8:27 AM

DMc is a more explosive Fargas with the same speed but has hands and can block. So of course he will help the Raiders running game but how much will he help the Raidrs over all. Very little until the Raiders get some reliable pass blockers on the "O" line.

The passing game has to complement the running game in order for the defense not to eventually cheat up and cloud the line of scrimmage to stop the run. As it stands right now the Raiders have no dependable LT or center that can pass block for JR.

Whats more we have no dependable west coast offense type QBs with NFL experience.

AD focused on the skill positions once again ignoring the "O" line and the "D" line which is what has brought the Raiders their ridicule and scorn the last five years. AD does not get it and the Raiders will not improve until AD wakes up and brings in quality linemen that can pass block as well as run block.

#10

Posted by Dan, March 27, 2008 8:45 AM

Josh point is on track, but the bottom line is the decision is Al's to make. No one truly knows what that may be except Al, but looking at his past and what he has done in the FA market do you really feel he is looking to take J. Long, Clady, Ellis, or Dorsey. It seems not. If C. Long drops to #4, or if he fell in love with what the Giants did he may take Gholston, but his past looks like Mcfadden unless Jerry Jones comes through with the kinda trade Minnesota gave for Walker it does not appear to look good on trading down. Most understand we need alot of help on both lines, but it looks like Al thinks he has addressed that.

Al is setting up something big, I don't pretend I have insight into his mind. He has a strong arm QB, speed at the WR position(although unproven), shut down CB's, and a great pass rusher in Burgess. Sounds like the teams of the past. On those teams most everyone else were role players with heart. In the 80's he had Marcus and later Bo, so Mcfadden seems to fit into the mold of his teams of the past. Al is unpredictable, but in his mind he is doing what is best for the team and the Raidernation. Right of wrong he believes he is doing the right thing. So in my case I am just looking at what he appears to be doing, and hoping for the best.

#11

Posted by H, March 27, 2008 9:10 AM

RaiderX,

Last I heard was 3 children - 3 different mothers.

When drafted the big thing about Fargas was his speed.

As for taking it 80 yards, how often does that happen in a season. Bo Jackson is the only back in NFL history with more than 1 TD run of 90 yards or over and he only did it twice. In 2000 we had a tandem of Wheatley and Kauffman and led the league and went to the AFC championship game.

From an historical standpoint having the top running back in the league is less of a factor in going to the Super Bowl than a strong defense.

#12

Posted by LDizzle, March 27, 2008 9:56 AM

McFadden is not like LDT and he is not like Adrien Peterson. McFadden has stiff hips and is all about speed. LDT has anything but stiff hips. LDT is the closest thing this league has to Barry Sanders right now because of how shifty he is. McFadden looks like one of the least shifty runners ever. We have good runningbacks that can and will have success on this team and we don't need any more.

But if you would like me to say something good about McFadden here you go: His style may just be perfect for the Zone Blocking Scheme. Fargas has a similar style in which he finds the hole and punches it into overdrive. Bush is also great for the ZBS.

So sure McFadden would make this team better. This team is already better. But not as good as it could be if other needs were addressed. Plus much like Olineman for the ZBS can be found in low rounds; Running backs for the ZBS can be found in low rounds and FA (ie Denver's Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Selvin Young). So I don't see why any of you would want to see AD spend insane amounts of money on a guy that would not do much more for this team than the guys already on the squad or someone drafted much later. Especially when it is not a position of need.

#13

Posted by Paul, March 27, 2008 11:41 AM

Both H and LDizzle have made great points. With Cable and the vast improvement of the OAKLAND RAIDERS running game with guys like Sims and Green manning the Tackle positions-sixth in the league. I'm thinking the running game will be even better in 2008, and that Bush will become the back he was prior to the injury & Rhodes looked good in the last two games of the season as well. As for the passing game, Russell is already getting "hardwired" (knapp's quote) and the addition of Carter & Walker has again put "Speed Kills" into the mouths of the NATION. Higgins may have looked like a joker in the punt return game last season, but he did make some very good catches and he is also faster than 97% of the defensive backs in the league-and Hall is a RAIDER now. We do need a center if Newberry is not re-signed and although Grove was either hurt or injured all of last season, I'm not sure Morris is the depth we are looking for. The additions of Palmer & Wilson (Steelers practice squad & RAIDERS practice squad) are better than most of us are aware, but we must stop the run on Defense. A Bad Ass sam LB and Defensive Line help, then Offensive Line and maybe a RB in the later rounds. Just Win Baby!!

#14

Posted by PapaG, March 27, 2008 11:44 AM

I mean come on Amac is good but so are the backs that are here im a raider fan in saints territory so i know about messing up a draft pick i have seen dorsey up close and personal and the guy is great! As well as AMac if Dorsey is around take him or one of the O or Dline but you can more then make due with the backs on the roster the running game was more then solid without a great line the secondary is good without any DT's u build a team from the inside out lets fix the lines and everything else falls in place

#15

Posted by ShapeShifter, March 27, 2008 1:20 PM

That was quite possible the most poorly written article I've ever read, but you do make a few good points. I don't agree with your opinion on drafting McF, though. Raiders have a young talent, M Bush, and although unproven, & have this year to test him and make a decision for next season. If he sucks, they simply draft one next year since they'll be drafting top 10 again (I'm not hating, just saying if Bush doesn't perform well, most like Fargas will be injured for a few games and Rhodes can't carry the load). But, if Bush can contribute and become the game breaker the Raiders imagined when drafting him, watch out!

#16

Posted by RAIDERKC, March 27, 2008 1:52 PM

That's crazy talk! We won't keep all those backs if we draft McFadden. Cost alone is reason enough to trade or cut bait. Al will hopefully work his magic and trade Rhodes and either cut or place Echemandu on the practice squad. That leaves us McFadden, Fargas and Bush. With McFadden and Fargas lining up in the proset gives us lots of options and will confuse the defense enough to allow Russell to do his thing.

#17

Posted by OakFoSho, March 27, 2008 5:36 PM

First off, here comes a shocker....

I do not believe that Run DMC is an every down back in the NFL, at least not in his first couple seasons. I know this sounds like a surprise coming from the biggest McFadden supporter on this blog, but only if you have failed to really catch the crux of my argument in his favor.

Value and Versatility!

Many on this blog fail to consider the TRUE value that McFadden gives the Raiders, so I will spell it out for you nice and clearly....

McFadden has the ability to take it to the house on any given play, at any given time that the Raiders have possession of the football, Offense (RB, Slot/Motion WR), and Special Teams (PR, KR). There is no other player in this draft that can make that claim. PERIOD!!

Sure, I would like to have C. Long, not because he is a better player or because he would have a bigger impact than Run DMC, but because I'm sentimental and because the Raiders' biggest need at this point in time is DE.

But lets face it, this ain't gonna happen!! C. Long will be gone, and no other player, regardless of need, can tempt Al away from McFadden if C. Long is off the board, and rightly so.

In conclusion......

Al's Mandate is McFadden!!

OakFoSho

#18

Posted by MAC-7, March 27, 2008 7:02 PM

Ask yourself how did the Giants stop Brady? With defense baby! There were no big name RB in the Super Bowl.

#19

Posted by J. Rasmussen, March 27, 2008 8:25 PM

Pound the ball, throw it deep and intimidate on defense. Raider football.

Chris Long or Jake long.

No Mclovin

#20

Posted by J. Rasmussen, March 27, 2008 8:27 PM

Anyone know when they announce the comp picks? Any guesses as to what we'll get based on last years FA losses?

#21

Posted by LARaider, March 27, 2008 8:59 PM

Defense Defense Defense, quit clogging up peoples heads with nonsense. Long, Gholston, or Dorsey will be there, not to mention Ellis.

You are no doubt a Raider fan. Remember Joe Echemandu ripping through the ZBS in preseason for 5-8 yards most times he touched the ball? Lamont is gone, keep the other four. Keeping the defense off the field another series or two per game will put four or five Raiders in the Pro Bowl and us at least getting to the playoffs. Smart people don't waste a #4 pick on an expensive 5th option for a 6th ranked running game. IF you want to think outside of Al's head talk about Jake Long for a minute, he would be Al's abstract pick if there was one.

#22

Posted by josh, March 27, 2008 9:36 PM

Smart people don��t waste a #4 pick on an expensive 5th option for a 6th ranked running game.

This sums it up nicely.

#23

Posted by shawnymoe, March 27, 2008 10:18 PM

uncle al listen and pay close attention. with tha number 4th pick in tha draft u either draft mcfadden if not trade with dallas get both 1st round draft picks use 1 of them 2 trade 4 chad jonhson and tha other 4 that d.t out of north carolina next thing u know playoffs baby 4 tha 1st time since 2002.

#24

Posted by minnie mouse, March 27, 2008 10:30 PM

everyone thought houston was stupid 4 not taking reggie bush. raiders are in the same postion I say they take vernon gholdsten when was the last time raiders had a stud at defensive end. we need sacks and pressure on the qb or our new secondary is going 2 look like the old one and another 4-12 season

#25

Posted by LDizzle, March 28, 2008 12:17 AM

OakFoSho thinks that calling me a gay Karl Rove wins him debates. Keep diggin there little feller.

Oh and Oak you just look retarded when you say "PERIOD" followed by two exclamation points. You should just say "EXCLAMATION POINT EXCLAMATION POINT" How long have I been saying Bush is better than McFadden and now you FINALLY dug up their college stats to try and prove me wrong? haha.

And if you seriously only want C Long for sentimental reasons than you are even more retarded than I thought. The Raiders have gotten a few 2nd gen Raider players in the past (ie Calvin Branch, Regan Upshaw) and that was nice but C Long is a great player most importantly. So you can keep riding DMacs nuts but when he goes to another team I guess you will have to switch allegiances to follow your man crush.

Wow McFadden can play QB? We already have one of those that we drafted #1 overall last year and paid a hell of a lot to get him. Remember him?

Wow McFadden can return kicks/punts? We drafted Higgins and traded for DeAngelo Hall for those duties. Plus you said it yourself (probably because you are listending to Mark Schlereth) that McFadden is not an every down back and yet you want him to play all of these positions AND return kicks? Get your story straight OakFoSho. If he is a complimentary back he won't be playing every position on the offense and

he is damn sure not worth #4 pick money. McFadden is fast and explosive. And?? Bush is bigger, quicker, a better blocker, more powerful and cost a HELL of a lot less than McLovin. Bush is also a good receiver who has played in the slot and split out wide and is considered an OUTSTANDING route runner. Bush has been compared to Larry Johnson on the NFL level. Bush had a broken leg (no muscle tears or anything like that) which doesn't linger career wise and it was healed six games into last season. So he is ready to go, has fresh legs, and knows the Raiders offense and system. Let's review:

QB play: Already got that

Kick/punt returns: Already got both of those

Size: Bush

Speed: McFadden

Quickness: Bush

Power: Bush

Blocking: Bush

Receiving: McFadden gets slight advantage because of speed for seperation but otherwise they are even.

Cost: BUSH

Familiarity: Bush

Result:

Bush is better than McFadden!

LDizzle

#26

Posted by OakFoSho, March 28, 2008 1:03 AM

LDizzle,

Bush is better than McFadden!?!? Ha! What stats are you looking at? I don't think so........

2004 -- 132/734/5.6 rush -- 11/15514.1 rec

2005 -- 205/1143/5.6 rush -- 21/253/12.0 rec

2005 -- 176/1113/6.3 rush -- 14/52/3.7 rec

2006 -- 284/1647/5.8 rush -- 11/149/13.5 rec

2007 -- 325/1830/5.6 rush -- 21/164/7.8 rec

1. Run DMC's rush ave, and ave. attempts, are higher on a yearly basis. I'm not doing totals cause Bush did not make it through 3 seasons.

2. Run DMC got less action in the passing game because he was the QB a huge percentage of the time.

3. McFadden is faster as 4.33 (4.27 say some sources) proves.

4. McFadden is more versatile (PR, KR, Slot WR, RB, 3rd QB), while Bush is just a RB.

5. Bush has had a serious leg injury, Run DMC has not.

6. Bush had Brian Brohm (HUGE FACTOR!!) as a QB. He picked apart secondaries, and made the running game open up for Bush. Run DMC was the whole show. Stop him, and you stop the Hogs!

7. On top of all this, Run DMC played in the SEC. Bush played in the Big East. Run DMC plays LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida Auburn Etc.Etc, and Bush plays Rutgers, Cincinati, West Virginia. and Connecticut, Etc, Etc. (Laughing Hysterically!)

When I make claims, I back them up with reason, logic, and statistics. When LDizzle makes an argument its built on bitterness. (from always getting owned in debate!)

It is clear, for all these reasons, that Run DMC > Bush!

Al's Mandate is McFadden!!

NEXT!!

OakFoSho

#27

Posted by OakFoSho, March 28, 2008 1:05 AM

Bush's statistics are on top and McFadden's are on bottom! Sorry I forgot to label those folks!

Al's Mandate is McFadden!!

OakFoSho

#28

Posted by Snoopy, March 28, 2008 4:27 AM

Jordan went down Fargas too over... Whats your point? McFadden is an awsome back who is an awsome luxury. We don't need him! We need C Long, C Ellis, Golson and as a last resort Dorsey who I'd probably chose higher if not for his durability issues.

THAT's it ...

We need to address that 1st... then the O-line and then a reciever before we look at any RB!!!

PLEASE STOP it with the Mc-FAD_en Fantasy... Geeeezzzzzzz!!!

Go Raiders!!!!!!!!!

#29

Posted by RayderDiego, March 28, 2008 8:25 AM

Defense wins championships. I agree we need to shore up the D

Y'all git off the latest Mc-Fad and git back to what we got hated aroung the league for originally....SHASHIN' HEADS AND BEING NASTY.

#30

Posted by RayderDiego, March 28, 2008 8:30 AM

We need running back alright.....We need to be running back to a strong DEFENSE!

I'm talking Jack Tatum style. Let's get back to what got us hated around the league in the first place. Just being flat out NASTY!

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS....ASK THE GIANTS.

#31

Posted by OakFoSho, March 28, 2008 3:21 PM

LDizzle,

Do you have trouble reading? I think so! I said I want C Long for more than just sentimental reasons, including the fact that DE is a huge need. Im sorry if you have trouble reading, as I would not wish that on anyone.

I don't want McFadden to play QB, rather Emergency 3rd QB, thus allowing the Raiders to keep an extra position player other than QB on the roster. I have also said that this is not a big deal, but a small bonus that Run DMC brings to the table. Again, can you read?

Higgens was horrible on PR last season, so again check your stats, and I have also stated that D-Hall and Run DMC would be an awesome duo on PR and KR as teams would have no place to kick the ball. Again, can you read?

The reason why I said Run DMC would not be an every down back is BECAUSE of all the different things he can do, and BECAUSE of the depth in the backfield. I also prefaced that statement with, IN HIS FIRST TWO SEASONS, so again, can you read?

Did you see the #s from McFaddens pro day? His times in all the lateral movement and quickness drills where the fastest of any RB at the combine. Add that to his 40 time, and McFadden is clearly quicker than Bush.

Yesterday or the day before, in the article "Where the Oakland Raiders Stand: Defense," you chose to try and get smart, by placing the phrase "Bush is better than McFadden" at the end of your comment in an obvious response to my phrase "Al's mandate is McFadden." As a reslut I have chosen to refute this point, and I have done so very successfully based on reason, stats, and logic, rather than personal feeling or bias like you. So I am responding to that phrase, as you have never before directly stated that "Bush is Better than McFadden" at the end of your posts.

As for you being a gay Karl Rove, that must have really hit really close to home for you to bring it back up in a whole new conversation. Wow! I was just joking and having fun, but I guess i was right! Aha!

As for your little list, lets try that again without the bias, and instead using facts.....

QB Play: J Money (but Run DMC allows for an extra player to be kept on the roster. BONUS!)

Size: Bush

Speed: Run DMC

Quickness: Run DMC

Power: Bush

Blocking: Can't be determined until both play in the NFL. I have read tons of scouting reports, and both were viewed as adequate blockers in College.

Recieving: McFadden (due to Speed, quickness, and experience ass a QB which many scouts have said would aid him as a WR)

Cost: Bush (but it doesn't matter cause Al sold part of the team for a reason!)

Familiarity: Bush (though only in practice and only for two weeks before being placed on IR, in fact many have said that being placed on IR actually hurt his develpoment due to lack of practice and game playing time, but I'll still give Bush this one)

Conference: McFadden played in the SEC! Nuff Said!

Check your facts buddy before you try and debate me, cause you just keep losing time and time again!

So in conclusion......Run DMC > Bush

A's Mandate is McFadden!!

OakFoSho

#32

Posted by LDizzle, March 28, 2008 3:41 PM

Wow OakFoSho I just read your comment with a huge stupid grin on my face. "can you read"? I have really gotten you worked up and it is pretty satisfying I must say. I will continue to bring up the "Gay Karl Rove" comment because I want continue to remind everyone of how mindbogglingly stupid are the things you think are brilliant. And you think you "win" debates too with this shit. "Nuff Said", "Next", "That must have hit really close to home". Haha you are entertaining I gotta say. So keep it up.

#33

Posted by LDizzle, March 28, 2008 3:45 PM

Oh and Oaks? Just typing that you won a debate doesn't make it true. Your novel of a comment in which that little vein in your forehead popped is all the proof anyone needs. You could never beat me in a debate and looking up stats online won't bring you any closer. But you get an E for effort.

#34

Posted by OakFoSho, March 28, 2008 5:57 PM

LDizzle,

If I want to put emphasis or exclamation on a point I will do so. On the other hand, the question "Can you read?" was quite calm and serious as you twisted and misconstrued every one of my points, which I then corrected for you in a clear and concise manner while again successfully refuting every one of your points.

Lets see, you have now turned completely from the argument at hand, and delved totally into personal attack. This tells me you have no factual base left to stand on as I have owned you in debate yet again. (and again and again!) You steal my lines,(IE hitting close to home, and others) which tells me your too angry to think up your own. Smells like Victory!

On the contrary, I have enjoyed throwing every aspect of your arguments back at you in a stunningly dominant fashion that simply proves your comments are mostly useless. I am also glad that you are accepting of the title 'Gay Karl Rove' as it is fitting. Remember, denial is not a river in Egypt, and acceptance is the first step out of that closet buddy. Aha!

I actually did 5 minutes of stat research to successfully and easily refute your Bush claim, but keep coming with the personal attacks cause refuting those takes no effort whatsoever.

My HS debate teacher would be proud!

NEXT!!

Al's Mandate is McFadden!!

OakFoSho

#35

Posted by OakFoSho, March 28, 2008 6:02 PM

By the way,

Your post #31 was almost as long as mine, so clowning on post length is pointless, just like the rest of your arguments.

OakFoSho